Moving fast vs Thinking fast

Not to be rude, but I don't care if you graduated highschool or not and it's not related to your character.

One doesn't imply the other, but one can explain the other. an INT of 1 doesn't imply severe retardation, just below average intelligence. An uneducated person is generally going to have less intelligence than an educated person. Is this always the case in real life? Not even close to yes. But it's an easy to convey the difference between a 1 and 2 in the stat.

and I'm not going by theory, I'm going by what the staff have decided. According to the ones running the stat system, 1 is average in most cases but with intelligence 2 is average.

Slamfist wrote:1 is actually average on everything except EP and Intelligence where it is 0 and 2 respectively.

I'd never take offense whilst in debate, it is a sign of immaturity! So now we are using exclusion rules? It's means one thing in these stats and another in these, that sort of logic leaves far too much room for indiscretion.

And siting the fact that a moderator said it, is not much in support of your point, the whole reason for this topic is to levy the mods/admin to see the flaws in the logic and correct them. It is here to voice opinions and thought processes in order to secure a more playable system. Having discrepancies in our Power Grid will do nothing for making this a more engaging system.

The reason I have become involved is because it does affect one of my characters. Evil Stephen Hawking is a disabled supervillian, and giving him a "1" strength, or a "1" durablitly seems highly unrealistic. In truth he would have "0.5" in these stats. But as I was informed fractions are despised on this site. But when I place a "0" in them, which is far more accurate to the truth of it, I was told that he couldn't even be alive. It is these very discrepancies that we are debating. And for those who say that it's not as important to debate stats as character development, I say that it is these very stats that define what we are capable of, to neglect them would be OPRPing at it's worst.

This is a very important debate and we should thank Sul-fury for bringing it up.

WEll I honeslty don't even think he should exist. He's silly. And while I know I've made my own silly character's I never really planned on using them. I know The system has flaws, a lot of them. That's why I was opposed to it in the first place. But coming up with a new system takes time, espcially one that will work and encompass everything it needs to. So it stays as is until I can come up with a new way to do things. The system actually can account for things like high IQ but uneducated. It just needs to be mentioned in the application. I'm going to use Slamfist as an example, because I of course know him better than anyone else's characters. Slam is a high school and college graduate, receiving a degree in business management. He only has an intelligence stat of 2. Why? Because he's average, relying on his physical capabilities to even get him into college. Overmind on the other hand has a intellegence of 6, effectively 7 since he's currently the most intelligent man known to be alive. His physical stats are very average except his speed which is very high, but that's more realated to his EP than actual physical speed. 1 doesn't mean you're stupid, it means you're undereducated. If you're still extremely intelligent, put points in your intelligence.

The only time these stats came into question was when someone wanted to make someone that can't move. We made reflexes base on speed because that is what every comic has done, The Flash can dodge bullets while Professor X cannot. While we don't want to be a copy of Marvel and DC we still want to keep some sort of influence, well I do at least, that is the reason that most people join this site anyway.

I agree with Metis 100% in order to dodge bullets you need SPEED, however if you have low intelligence it does take into effect. Even a mentally handicapped person could think, "Okay someone is shooting a gun. RUN TO THE SIDE", but it would take someone with above average intelligence to think. "5 people have gun and are shooting, in order to dodge all of these with no injuries I must dodge back to the side and then finally down." They both play a role in your ability to do so, but reflexes in general follow the speed stat. What good are super reflexes if your don't have the speed to react.

There is no conscious intelligent thought when reacting to something, when a doctor hits your knee with a hammer, you don't think "Kick". That's just it, you don't think. Reflex and reaction is an unconscious act, thus intelligence does not govern it, however intelligence does govern your action of dodging, and how you are going to do so.

To do anything like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bGqnK0mFq4&feature=related

I would consider that a 5-6 speed, 5-6 Int, 5-6 Fighting skill. (shrug) No joe shmoe can react to that much bulletfire flawlessly. Even if he can move that fast. It takes skill, speed, and thinking power. AKA, Intelligence. Thinking on your feet.

You'd only need high points in 2 of those sats not all 3.

Slamfist wrote:You'd only need high points in 2 of those sats not all 3.

Speed and Fighting skill? (Shrug) I don't think someone can do that if they're Forest Gump, even if they got the ability and skill.

I have already stated this, intelligence only governs the actions you take to do the dodging. In other words, in order to dodge a hail of gun fire you need intelligence...yes, but to dodge one bullet it would not. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to think "Run from bullet."

I do agree however that in order to effectively dodge multiple bullets it would require calculations and intelligence. Reflexes are entirely tied to speed, while strategy and reasoning are tied to intelligence. Fighting Skill matters none really, watcha gonna do, punch the bullet?

if your durability is 6 you could punch a bullet, Hell you could punch a bomb!

Does depend of the bomb, but I agree.

I also feel that 2, or perhaps 3, but I lean toward 2, should be the average human male, for everything but EP.