Creating a list of Powers, like flight, do not add to EP total.

So currently people can spend 2 points to fly, this power does not get added to the EP pool.

So we can say that Player A takes 2 points to fly, and has 6 EP to shoot lasers from his eyes.

However player B, who wants to be able to teleport(just himself) like Nightcrawler, and throw fire balls around, he has to spend 2 of his EP points for teleporting, and 4 for fire balls.

Both spent 2 points for travelling, but one gets to put 6 points into his attack, while the other only gets to put 4 in to his attack.

So my suggestion is we make a list of powers that cost 1 or 2 points, and players are allowed to select a single power from this list that does not affect their EP. If they want more than one, then after the first, they WILL effect your EP.

So the List so far is:

Flying - Psuedo 1 Point
Flying - Perfect 2 Points
Teleportation - Self - Must be able to see destination, maximum distance 1 KM 2 points
Transformation(Cosmetic only, like Mystique from the X-men) 2 Points
Empathy(Can sense the emotions of those around them) 1 Point
Super senses(Super smell, super hearing, super sight) Slightly higher than a normal person 1 Point
Super senses(Super smell, super hearing, super sight) Much higher than a normal person 2 Point
Stretching(Like Mr. fantastic) 2 Points
Wall crawling 1 Point

The reasoning behind stretching is as follows:
If I am a rubber man, and can reform my hands to look like giant hammers, when I hit someone, I use the Strength Attribute, not EP. When I am hit, I am made of rubber, so bullets bounce off me, so we use Durability, not EP power. So what would be the point of putting 6 points into EP for stretching, when you need high points in Strength and Durability to actually USE your powers.


So the question is, is this a good idea(yes) or a bad idea(no)

If you answer yes, and have a power suggestion for the list, please feel free to mention it. But just to be perfectly clear, these powers are NOT attacks, they are(for the most part) purely Role Playing powers.

I vote yes

Its a good idea to start taking all the powers we have approved and right them down for precedent.

you make a good point, if all it took was high end and strength to be stretchy then everyone could be

"If I am a rubber man, and can reform my hands to look like giant hammers, when I hit someone, I use the Strength Attribute, not EP. When I am hit, I am made of rubber, so bullets bounce off me, so we use Durability, not EP power. So what would be the point of putting 6 points into EP for stretching, when you need high points in Strength and Durability to actually USE your powers."

This makes it so that EP doesn't become a one-stop-shop stat. Mainly with defense. Ii I had a character who shot energy blasts, then they would use FS to determine how well they could use the blast; with rubber defense, a user could up his EP and say it takes the place of his poor durability while they boost up speed or INT.

I vote no, because of this simple fact: My character has wings, and I'd like for the people with any form of Flight to be given back those two points to their power grid. People who fly have the born ability, or enhanced ability. Other people can fly with the help of some form of machine, but they do not sacrifice points.

That's my argument. I'm sticking to it.

unrealistic.entity wrote:Other people can fly with the help of some form of machine, but they do not sacrifice points.

Thats completely not true, any form of flight require the deduction of points on a powergrid, no expections. I don't know where you got your argument from, but that is not how we do things.

Also, I vote yes.

This is a great idea! I support it fully.

That also brings up the case of having defense super powers. If you can turn your skin into steel, and you have 6 ep, would it be easy for someone to break it with... say, level 4 strength? So you'd have to put in 6 or something for durability so that you wouldn't be as easily broken. Which then returns you to your point of why wouldn't you just put in some ep for the power (like 2 or 3), and then upgrade on strength and durability?

Confusing, really.

But it's a good idea, nonetheless.

I also agree with this, as many powers actually work like you explain them now.

I Agree.

currently stands as 7 to 1, in favor.

Bliss wrote:"If I am a rubber man, and can reform my hands to look like giant hammers, when I hit someone, I use the Strength Attribute, not EP. When I am hit, I am made of rubber, so bullets bounce off me, so we use Durability, not EP power. So what would be the point of putting 6 points into EP for stretching, when you need high points in Strength and Durability to actually USE your powers."

This makes it so that EP doesn't become a one-stop-shop stat. Mainly with defense. Ii I had a character who shot energy blasts, then they would use FS to determine how well they could use the blast; with rubber defense, a user could up his EP and say it takes the place of his poor durability while they boost up speed or INT.

Thats what I was saying in the c-box the other day about rubber powers. Should be a point cost for the power but just how useful it is should be determined by durability.

I don't like the idea, if only because at some point in the future I can see someone come in and spend many, many points in the list and use them to powergame, which is not something we want to promote on this site. We want to promote the Role Play, not the combat.

Teleportation sould be removed; Teleporting is an EP power.

The idea seems good, but I remain neutral, I couldn't care if it went either way. Though if it's to be accepted some things have to be fixed up a little. Fix it from saying clumsy and graceful flight to say Perfect and Psuedo flight.

Not sure if we should have two levels of super senses, but it's fine I guess.

Okay so on the topic of teleportation.
If we use nightcrawler from the x men as an example he good only teleport a mm or two away and only to a place he could visually see so he didn't end up in a wall. How is this any more powerful than having the ability to fly? Flying seems to me to have just as many though sometimes different applications. Over all they are both travelling powers so they should both be treated the same.

I only wrote clumsy and graceful because I couldn't remember off the top of my head what words you used.

I have two levels of supersenses because I was told when creating my very first character that there were two different levels. If you think there should be only one and I do not have a problem with that, Pain could you please suggest how man points that power should cost and how strong it is?

Lastly I would like to confirm that we all agree that people will only select a single power to not count towards their ep, if they want a second power that is on the list they will have to have it count towards their ep.

How does that sound?